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This interview was done in June of 1996. Through a friend, ANT BEE, who has recorded with Neal Smith, I was able to send Neal plenty of questions, and he gladly answered them on a cassette and sent them back.
Please note that this interview was done well before the tragic death of Glenn Buxton. It has never been published to date, as I'd originally had other plans for it (which I may still live up to one day!).
Special thanks to Neal and to Billy James.................
Please keep an eye out for a new Neal Smith interview soon. Other related interviews are planned with band mates Dennis Dunaway and Mike Marconi.
Q: What are your memories of the earliest gigs the band ever played under the names prior to the Alice Cooper Group [i.e.: What sort of venues? Responses? Set-lists?].
NS: Some of the first memories I have are of The Nazz - that was when I'd joined the group in the fall of 1967. We were playing a lot of clubs, and once in a while were on Arizona local television. It was basically the biggest clubs in the South-West that we were playing at the time, as well as Los Angeles. The responses were always positive. One of the main things we always tried to do was have people walk away with a reaction. The set list at that time included all of the songs from the "Pretties For You" , which we recorded on Frank Zappa's "Straight Records." There were some songs we also did which were songs that were later re-written and recorded for later Warner Brothers albums.
Q: Who were some of your own musical influences and 'heroes' starting out [any favorite drummers back then]?
NS: Some of my own musical influences at the time were from when I was growing up in the '50s and '60s like Gene Krupa and Sandy Nelsen -- a lot of the big band sound and pop together. Of course, when the British Invasion happened I was influenced to an extent by the likes of Ringo Starr and Charlie Watts because I liked what they did with what they were playing musically on records with The Beatles and Rolling Stones. From a theatrical stand-point I really liked Keith Moon and Mitch Mitchell (from Jimi Hendrix' band). I also liked Ginger Baker, but probably more from a playing stand-point. He is, I think, probably the best drummer of the rock era.
Q: How did the whole ALICE COOPER concept evolve [i.e.: from the time you chose that name]?
NS: The concept for ALICE COOPER really came from when we all went to art school together. Alice, Glen, and myself were all art majors. We liked to employ the mixture of art and theatre into the music. That was simply the concept, just something that nobody had done before. Even before the name ALICE COOPER came along, when we played we tried to have people walk away, and the one thing we wanted them to do - was never forget the band!
No matter what we had to do to make that happen!
Q: The first 2 AC albums were so strange (in retrospect), what influenced a lot of the sounds and production ?
NS: Yes they were a little different for the time. Any influence that we had, again being art majors and wanting to do something completely different - that was our approach. We had a few other influences like early Syd Barrett with the original PINK FLOYD. I liked a lot of the things with sounds that they played around with at the time. Also, STOCKHAUSEN - electronic music that was coming out of Germany and Europe at that time. There was just a lot of experimentation with instruments, instruments that every group had - 2 guitars, bass, drums, and a singer.
Q: How did the band hook up with Shep Gordon and Warners?
NS: Shep Gordon and Joey Greenburg were partners and we signed with them. They were just out to Los Angeles from Buffalo, New York. They'd graduated from Business College at the University Of Buffalo. My sister - Cindy Dunaway, who's married to Dennis, worked at a boutique store in LA, and at the time had a lot to do with our clothing and image. So, Shep and Joe came into the boutique and I guess they were talking, and she asked them what they did, and they said that they manage bands. She said "my brother's in a band, and they need a manager!" We hooked up from that point on. Of course, Warners Brothers bought out Straight Records, which was Frank Zappa's label and there was 10 bands - which I still think was one of the most amazing business deals ever done at the time. Warner Brothers bought out 10 bands from Straight Records for about $50 000 at that time - 1969-70. This was already after we'd recorded "Easy Action". Linda Ronstadt was with a band called "Stone Ponies" and also James Taylor was in one of the groups that Frank Zappa had at the time, so they kinda got ALICE COOPER as a bonus because they'd (Warners) really wanted Linda Ronstadt and James Taylor.
Q: What influence, advice, and ideas did Bob Ezrin bring with him when you began to record with him for 'Love It To Death'?
NS: Well again, it was our first album for Warner Brothers, we were now with a major label, we had incredible management, we were making a presence with the underground - very strongly with "Pretties For You" and "Easy Action" and the affiliation with Frank Zappa at the time. We wanted to break-out, not really into the mainstream, but hit more people with our impact, so we needed someone who'd take our music to the level of what our show was and where we really wanted to be. Bob Ezrin, at the time, was with "Nimbus 9 Studios" in Toronto. He was just starting out, the same as Shep and the band; we were all starting from the same place. Bob's influence was very substantial in really taking the songs and working with us on arrangements. Lyrically, Alice - I still think is one of the best rock lyricist that's ever been around. So, to take those lyrics and to take the ideas of our music, which the majority of was written by Mike, although Dennis and myself also influenced the music as well. Bob really took it and put it all together, and worked quite closely with the band. He was really, in my opinion, like the 6th member of the band! One other thing - Bob not only was an incredible influence on the music, but keeping in mind the "theatre" of the band, and keeping in mind what we did on stage and implementing that in a musical expression on our records, as well as what we did live. That was a lot of the "magic" of what Bob and the band did together.
Q: What was the songwriting process in the original AC band?
NS: That's an interesting question. think we probably utilized every possible aspect of song-writing. A song like "School's Out" - everybody wrote together. Some of the riffs from that song were done a long time ago in the early days before we even recorded. A better example is "Elected" which was originally on Pretties For You and was called "Reflected"; we'd re-wrote it. Anything from that period of time (Pretties For You and Easy Action), we basically wrote together. We would come up with songs either from a group jam where everybody is together working out a concept or idea and Alice would work on lyrics. We would also brainstorm on the lyrics. The other way was that Mike would write a song, bring it to Alice and then there was lyrical changes on it. A great example of this is "No More Mister Nice Guy". Another example of co-writing was Dennis and Mike writing "Under My Wheels", and from the standpoint of the lyrics they were very involved and then Alice came in and worked on the lyrics as well. And to this day it's one of my favorite all-time ALICE COOPER songs! There was also songs in the band that members wrote by themselves like "Black Ju-Ju" - Dennis basically wrote that song and "Hallowed Be My Name", from the Love It To Death album is a song I wrote in it's entirety. It was always fun and it was always a very creative process. One of the last songs we ever wrote together was from "Billion Dollar Babies". We needed 1 more song, it was "Generation Landslide", again one of my favorite songs. We had needed 1 more song for the album and we were in London recording at the time, and we just had to get out of town - go rehearse and write a song. We went down to the Canary Islands and there was a brand new hotel that was being built. We rented the whole top of the hotel, moved in, took our equipment - just enough to set up a little studio and write a song. I started playing the drum beat to "Generation Landslide", Mike joined in, and in a couple of days we'd developed the song. We wrote the song as a group and everyone participated in it's creation. Usually last songs can be filler, but I think that was an incredible song!
Q: What influenced the words to some of the bands' biggest hits, such as 'Eighteen' & 'Be My Lover'?
NS: With 'Eighteen' we wanted to have a hit song as we'd never had one, and this was our third album (Love It To Death). We wanted something that was going to be timely, and the subject of being 18 years of age at that time was a very hot subject! We wanted something like an anthem, and I certainly think 'Eighteen' succeeded. 'Be My Lover' was from the standpoint of a "cabaret" kind of thing. Alice used "Katchina" the snake on stage, and even throughout the '80s he used the snake during 'Be My Lover'. It was a fun song; I always liked playing that one.
Q: What is the story behind the sessions for the "Billion Dollar Babies" album [i.e.: who were guest on it that is not written in the credits]?
NS: We recorded it at our mansion in Greenwich Connecticut, in London England at Morgan Studios, and at The Record Plant in New York. All the songs were recorded by the band. There was a jam session in London that Keith Moon, Harry Nilson and Mark Bolan from T-TEX attended. Flo and Eddie were there too as were a couple of other friends that had played with us on albums - Mick Mashbir, who later played some guitar on "Muscle Of Love". They were in the session, but it was nothing that was ever on the record. It was a fun jam session and a great party!!
Q: How did you and the rest of the band deal with the fame and success?
NS: We'd played for about 10 years, and it was almost like a non-stop party. We had worked very, very hard to achieve what we had achieved at that time, and we were all enjoying it. It wasn't a situation where it was a bad thing - it never was! We got along great together, and to this day we still get along great.
Q: With Alice, himself, being more in the public eye than the rest of the band as a whole, create any bitterness or animosity amongst band members?
NS: To tell you the truth when the band first was together and went on the road in the late '60s, there was a lot of time where we could all go to the radio stations and do the interviews. We could all do the interviews with the magazines. It was a little hectic with 5 people, but we all had the time to do it. As things changed there was times when Mike, Dennis and I or Alice and I would do the interviews. If Alice couldn't make it I did the interview - it just depended. It was a situation that was orchestrated by the band. As the pressure became greater later on and the band had to do sound checks at big concerts, and we'd traveled so much that by the time we got to the venue our thing was the music and Alice would go to the radio stations and do his things. Everybody had their job. There was never any bitterness. It was a lot of work and everyone had their job to do at that particular time. We all shared equally in the band. Everyone had their own weight to pull and we did it to the best of our ability in always trying to put on a great show - no matter what the bottom line was!
Q: Why did the band decide to record "Muscle of Love" so soon after B$B's, instead of taking a needed break?
NS: I don't know if there was a needed break. We actually took the break after Muscle Of Love. First of all. we recorded albums, and we played concerts - that's what we did for many years. After Billion Dollar Babies we wanted to get in to the studio. We'd been playing those songs for a year now and we had a whole new group of songs that we wanted to put down; we had a new concept. There was actually even songs for an album after that! And that's why Muscle Of Love was recorded, and then the Greatest Hits came after that.
Q: Why were two guest guitar-players used on that album? Was it due to Glen's 'health'? [Stories that Glen was so ill on the last few tours that in fact someone else played his parts from behind the stage - True?]
NS: Dick Wagner, who was a very good friend of Bob Ezrin came in and did some guest spots on some albums for a little bit different texture or flavor. Mick Mashbir, who was a long time friend of mine from high school - even before I was ever involved with the guys in the group, he played lead guitar on some of the live shows. What was happening was when we got into Billion Dollar Babies on stage the show was becoming bigger, we needed more music, more musicians. With what we were doing on the albums - we wanted to portray that more live. So, we needed a keyboard player, Bob Dolin, and we needed another guitar player - so Mick played for us in the back-ground on the Billion Dollar Babies Tour, as well as some lead work on Muscle Of Love.
Glen always played "School's Out" and "18" - those were his songs. All the hits he would do. He contributed immensely to those songs. Those songs were never the same without him. Yes there was people who played with us live on stage, and they actually had their own section in that they were in the spotlight as well. There wasn't anything hidden about it or anything like that. Yes there was a period of time, unfortunately, with the Billion Dollar Babies tour, that Glen wasn't feeling too well, but he's a trooper. He went on the road with us and it was one of the highest grossing tours at the time. It wouldn't have been the same without him, that's for sure !
Q: Do you feel that Muscle Of Love is an overlooked album? It is my personal favorite ACG album.
NS: I don't think it's that overlooked. I think it was an interesting turn for us to do the Muscle Of Love album. It's one of my favorite albums too. It was fun recording it. Bob Ezrin unfortunately, didn't help us out on the production - it was Jack Douglas. That was one of Jack Douglas' first albums before working with AEROSMITH, and then Jack Richardson also helped. He'd originally started with us on Love It To Death. He produced the GUESS WHO, some of their biggest hits. Bob Ezrin was Jack Richardson's protégé. Prior to albums to that, the 2 or 3 before, we'd shipped over 1 million copies the first week. Muscle Of Love came out and it sold 800 000 copies the first month, so it was a little bit off the mark. It wasn't followed up with a major stage show worldwide, and I think that may have been a part of it.
Q: During your time with AC you recorded a much publicized solo album (The Platinum God). What is the story behind it [i.e. : Who played on it ? Who wrote? Sang? Why has it never been released?]
NS: I guess it got a lot of publicity (!?) It was a concept that I'd been working on. I wrote all the songs, and sang all the songs on the tape. The guitar player was Mike Marconi. He was a musician I had met while we were on the road in the Rochester area. I went to see him play live in a club one night and liked his work, so we ended up working together. Jack Douglas produced the tapes, Dennis played bass, Mike Marconi played the lead guitar, and there was another guitar player - Stu Day. Stu had a band out of New York called "The Mix" in the mid to late 70s. Then there was some orchestrations where I had brass sections and string sections - which was actually the New York Philharmonic at the time on the tapes. We had taken them (the tapes) to a lot of record companies, and I guess being the "shock-rock" band, or whatever we were at that particular time; this tape was actually pretty shocking to them in a lot of respects. And to this day I think that's a great aspect to these tapes. On the song "Platinum God" itself, I just had no clue as to what was going on. It's an interesting mixture between contemporary drumming and primitive drumming, and mixed with the concept. Who knows - maybe someday it'll still be released , I don't know !
Q: Did the band intend on getting back together following the "Greatest Hits" release?
NS: The band still might get together! Who knows? Of course we planned on getting together. That's kind of a crazy question !
Q: What did you do in the first few years following the break-up of the band?
NS: We took the year off. We had worked very hard, as I mentioned previously. It was a lot of fun but a lot of work too. We'd travelled all around the world. We'd gone from obscurity to fulfilling our dream of bringing what we did that was so different and exciting to the music world and bringing in theatre - an element that had never really been brought into play before that period of time. And still to this day, I think that of all the great stage shows you see - that did not exist before we were on stage. There's no doubt in my mind that what we did has influenced music for the past 2 decades - especially from a live presentation standpoint. But there comes a point in time where you have to take a break from it all. We'd all lived together under the same roof for all that time and when we took that year off everybody got their own places, and got a chance to relax and get into who they were. And like I said, you just can never know what's going to happen!?
Q: Were you ever bitter that Alice, himself, carried on without you guys making a living out of the songs and ideas that you all contributed to?
NS: If anything, I'm proud of what Alice has done on his own. I'm always extremely impressed with him and any of his lyrics I hear. Some of his songs from "Welcome To My Nightmare", and even to his newest album - "The Last Temptation", there's some songs that I'd have loved to have played the drums on. When he's out on the road he's playing a lot of the Greatest Hits - songs that we all wrote on, played on, and made famous. So, the word wouldn't be "bitter", but "proud"! I'm extremely happy that he does so well. We're still good friends; he's even helped me get bitten by the "Golf-bug" here. He's an incredible golfer!! We get together and play once in a while. At any rate, basically what I think of his albums is that they've been great.
Q: In 1977 yourself, Dennis Dunaway, and Michael Bruce formed a band 'THE BILLION DOLLAR BABIES'. How did that all come about? Bob Dolin had previously guested on Muscle Of Love, who was he and who was Mike Marconi?
NS: After Muscle Of Love there was a pile of songs written, this was past out solo projects. We got together and we wanted to record an album. We put all the music together. We had Bob Dolin on keyboards from the Muscle Of Love album, and Mike Marconi - from my Platinum God project.
Q: Did B$B's record anything past the "Battle Axe" album? Did you tour? And why did it fall apart?
NS: We recorded a demo song past that. We did do a tour; we played around the country. Again, it was a great concept. It would've been fun if the whole band could've done it, but it worked on it's own. I guess the main thing was the 3 points in the "triple crown" for the success of the Alice Cooper Band was certainly the band - it's creativity and writing. The second was Shep Gordon - our management and the leadership that he had in the field. And then (third) Bob Ezrin in producing the records. Bob worked closely with making the music and records happen, and then Shep took it and put it over with the record company and made everything else work, like the publicity and all that. We were spoiled by that sort of a formula and the B$B's did not have that formula.
Q: Who have you kept in touch with over the years? Ref. to Michael, Dennis, Alice, and Glenn.
NS: Of course with Dennis - he's my brother-in-law, and he lives very close to where I do in Connecticut. Michael Bruce and I talk, I've seen him in Arizona several times. I've probably seen Alice more than Glen and Mike. Glen, I haven't seen in quite a long time, but I do talk to Glen a lot as well. Yes, I get along with everybody in the band, and I always wish them all the best - all the time.
Q: You and Dennis played on Buck Dharma's 1981 solo album "Flat Out". How did all that come about? Do you keep in contact with Buck?
NS: Donald "Buck" Dharma was a very good friend of ours. As a matter of fact the Alice Cooper Band had played some shows in the 70s where BLUE OYSTER CULT had opened for us. We got along pretty well. So, when Buck did the solo album he had asked Dennis and I to play on some of the tracks for him. I co-wrote the song "Born To Rock", and it became the single from the album, and the video that was on MTV. He (Buck) and his family are very good friends of ours. Even though they don't live in the State anymore we still keep in touch.
Q: What sort of recording and playing did you do throughout the '80s? Much session work?
NS: In 1981 I played drums on a complete album by THE PLASMATICS called "Beyond The Valley Of 1984". That was a pretty cool project. I enjoyed working with them. I did co-write a song with Joe Bouchard of BOC for the "Revolution By Night" album. The song was called "Shadows Of California", that was recorded in 1983. Then I did some solo recordings during the mid-80s. Then I got into the profession I'm in now.
Q: What's the story behind 'DEADRINGER'?
NS: DEADRINGER was Joe Bouchard from BOC, Dennis Dunaway, and the singer was Charlie Hune from Ted Nugent's band, "Intensities In 10 Cities" - those days. I think Charlie's an incredible singer, and we were lucky to have him work together with us in 1989 for an album called "Electrocution Of The Heart". It was released on Grudge Records in 89. The guitar player was a guy who I'd been working with and writing songs with in Connecticut for the last 10 years; his name was J. Jesse Johnson. He was really the focal point of the band as far as the music goes; he'd written a lot of the songs, and helped to co-write some of the others with me that were on the record. It was a great record, and we had a lot of fun recording it. I do wish we had had more time in the studio. It may be re-released on another label soon, because it was a great record.
Q: How did you get involved with ANT BEE?
NS: Billy James (ANT BEE) was a friend of Mike Bruce's and through Mike is how I met Billy. There was a portion of "The Platinum God" tape that Billy sampled and was on his new album. It sounds really cool, and I'm pretty pleased with that. He's a very talented guy, and a good man !
Q: Do you have any plans for future recording and/or session projects in the future?
NS: You never know what this business can bring! I have a studio in my own home. I've always maintained the studio, and every year I try to make it a little bigger and better. I'm always writing. Over the years, with the help of Mike Bruce, I taught myself how to play guitar and piano, so I know enough that it helps me write. And then I work with somebody that's incredibly talented like J. Jessie Johnson or Mike Bruce! I am always looking to write; I love to write and collaborate with people. Do I have a dying urge to get back on the road? I've really already done that! I love drums, that's my biggest thing in life, naturally! I still have almost every drum kit I've ever had. I have over 100 of them at home! I noticed a new book called "The Stars' Sets", and it covers the 1930s to 1995. They have a great picture of one of my first Slingerland kits in there that Slingerland gave us. The "Love It To Death" and "Killer" albums were recorded on that set of drums. I'm pretty happy with what I'm doing right now, (real estate). I write in the studio, send Alice songs once in a while. Mike Bruce has heard my songs; I've heard some of Mikes'. He still writes incredible songs! A great songwriter!! That's a natural combination with Mike, Dennis and I together - we play any song, like "My Stars", or any song that the original Alice Cooper Band did and it will sound exactly like the record.
Q: Do you ever fore-see yourself working with any of the original AC band guys again? Is there ever a possibility of a reunion?
NS: I'm friends with everybody, I work with everybody. Dennis and I play a lot, Mike and I played last year when I went out to Arizona, and we did some jamming on some of his songs. I got together with Alice, gave him some songs, and we kicked around some ideas. I don't have a crystal ball to know what's going to happen in the future, but I'd be the first one to bring my drums to a session if we ever did decide to do anything! But, it'd have to be just for fun - that would be the bottom line to ever doing anything.
Q: What do you do outside of music? How did you get into real estate?
NS: I really do music as a hobby now. Real Estate is my main profession. It's a very serious and professional business, but I have a lot of fun with it in the Connecticut area. I got into it when the band was together. We made investments in real estate, individually and as a group. I found it fascinating, and it was another way that I could make an income. I enjoy it a lot, and love this part of the country. People do say "from rock 'n' roll to real estate - what the heck is that all about?". But we did have the opportunity to invest and learn a lot about it in the early '70s, so it was a natural progression - a natural step. Is it as much fun as going on the road? Maybe not, but, it's not as tiring either.
Q: Do you follow current music? Thoughts on today's scene as opposed to the early 70's?
NS: Not as much, I really just don't have the time. I never really followed current music in the old days. Once we'd started as a group I was so concentrated on what we were doing, and not paying too much attention to other bands. But when I hear a band like The Counting Crows - I think that's a great band. The Smashing Pumpkins are another good band. The one thing that I really like about a band like Smashing Pumpkins is that that drummer who was in the band, actually plays drums, and is a significant part of their sound. There was so much music in the '80s where the drums were just a particular sound - they were just there! But now, the drummers that I've heard sound like they're musicians again, and actually contributing to the sound of their groups! It just seemed like in the late 60s - early 70s that there was a lot more excitement in music. There was a lot going on then, and I think it was socially and politically as well. With Vietnam and the Civil Rights Movement, there was a lot of things changing in the States. Music has always been sort of a barometer of what's going on with social event. That is why I still like to listen to the old music. The country scene, of course these days, has changed immensely from what it used to be many years ago. I like music whether it's a Broadway play, Big Band, Jazz, Blues, Rock, Punk. If it's a great song - it's a great song and it holds no matter what the style of music.
Q: Have you ever thought of writing a book ? (As Michael Bruce recently has.) And, can you give us a favorite story from the road?
NS: Well, if there was ever an Alice Cooper story - there'd be 5 different versions of that story! Every guy in the group would have his own version. So if everybody wrote their own book, believe me - they would all be completely different! They'd be parallel to a certain extent, but a lot of different stories would come about. It's interesting every time we sit down, either with Mike or Alice, one of the guys will remember something that the other guys just totally forgot. It'd be more fun, I think, if all sat down and just started talking into tape recorders and let somebody else write the book. A story? When we were in Paris we played in The Pierre Cardin Theatre. I think it was the "Killer" or "School's Out" show (I'm not quite sure!). After the show Bianca Jagger and Natalie Delone were there and Alice and I were kind of hanging out with them for the evening. Pierre Cardin was a big fan of ours, and in France Alice Cooper was a very very "hip" thing. Every time we went over there we were treated incredibly well. All in all I think most French people seem to not to like Americans, but for some reason (ha) we weren't average Americans. Anyway, in the evening after the performance they had a big area for entertaining and what have you. They didn't have any Smirinoff Vodka there; they had some other vodkas, but that's what I was interested in drinking that evening. So Pierre Cardin said that he didn't have any there, but he did at home in his apartment. So he went out, took a taxi, got the vodka and came back!! It made no sense to me, but he was more than cordial and happy to help out. Everybody in Paris was just incredible to us, and all over Europe too! One other story is from when we were over in London. Alice and I used to like to play a lot of pool together, billiards. As a matter of fact we had an on-going game, and I think Alice still owes me $65! We had our rehearsals in Greenwich (Connecticut). We had a very large solarium with a pool table in it. So Alice and I would play for the period of time that the band was tuning up. It was a fun game. Anyway, we went over to London on one of our first tours through Europe, and they of course - play "snooker" over there! One evening we went out and there was Elton John, Bernie Taupin, Ronnie Lane and Ronnie Wood, and we were at one of their houses (I forget who's). Alice and I figured we could learn this game, you know - you had a cue stick and balls, and a velvet table. And actually we got our butt's kicked -- a couple of times! Later on we finally ended up beating them though. So, we had to adapt to the European form of the pool game. That was a cool night, we'd never played it before. I could go on and on and talk about different stories all night,... and most of them we probably couldn't print anyway!!
Review: ©2012 Kevin J. Julie / Universal Wheels